Comments on: Mysterious Ground Ice Feature http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/mysterious-ground-ice-feature/ Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:18:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Amy Breen http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/mysterious-ground-ice-feature/comment-page-1/#comment-417 Amy Breen Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:04:24 +0000 http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/?p=558#comment-417 Hello Liz, I have not seen ice from the late-Pleistocene epoch. However, I have encountered pingos in the Alaskan Arctic. Some pingos are nearly that old. One of the most prominent pingos, is Betty Pingo. It is located within the oil fields at Prudhoe Bay. However, I don't know the age of this particular pingo. To see digital elevation model images of Betty Pingo visit this page and scroll to the very bottom: http://www.uaf.edu/water/faculty/nolan/kuparuk/drmatt_kup_agu.htm Or, see this image: http://www.uaf.edu/water/projects/NorthSlope/coastal_plain/images/2001_snowmelt/Betty-Pingo/bp-pingo.061700.1232.jpg The latter image is looking north to the pingo. As you can imagine, these are significant topographic features on the coastal plain. I plan to address your second question, how the vegetation differs in the greenhouse chambers from surrounding tundra, in an upcoming dispatch. In summary, the vegetation in the chambers is larger (both taller and has greater biomass) and the timing of stages such as flowering and fruiting is earlier. Thanks for your interest in our project. Best, Amy Hello Liz,

I have not seen ice from the late-Pleistocene epoch.

However, I have encountered pingos in the Alaskan Arctic. Some pingos are nearly that old. One of the most prominent pingos, is Betty Pingo. It is located within the oil fields at Prudhoe Bay. However, I don’t know the age of this particular pingo.

To see digital elevation model images of Betty Pingo visit this page and scroll to the very bottom: http://www.uaf.edu/water/faculty/nolan/kuparuk/drmatt_kup_agu.htm

Or, see this image: http://www.uaf.edu/water/projects/NorthSlope/coastal_plain/images/2001_snowmelt/Betty-Pingo/bp-pingo.061700.1232.jpg

The latter image is looking north to the pingo.

As you can imagine, these are significant topographic features on the coastal plain.

I plan to address your second question, how the vegetation differs in the greenhouse chambers from surrounding tundra, in an upcoming dispatch. In summary, the vegetation in the chambers is larger (both taller and has greater biomass) and the timing of stages such as flowering and fruiting is earlier.

Thanks for your interest in our project.

Best,
Amy

]]>
By: Amy Breen http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/mysterious-ground-ice-feature/comment-page-1/#comment-415 Amy Breen Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:29:54 +0000 http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/?p=558#comment-415 Hello Avi, Ice features do occur in the Arctic that are quite old; certainly as old as the last glacial maximum (~25,000 years ago). The most common true perennial permafrost mounds are are pingos and palsas. These phenomena both result from freezing of water to an ice core. When I first saw the ice feature described in this dispatch I assumed it was a palsa. I am not aware of sonar-like tool to determine the nature of a mound amongst the tundra (ice vs. permafrost). It is a very interesting idea, however. Good luck with assignment. Best, Amy Hello Avi,

Ice features do occur in the Arctic that are quite old; certainly as old as the last glacial maximum (~25,000 years ago). The most common true perennial permafrost mounds are are pingos and palsas. These phenomena both result from freezing of water to an ice core. When I first saw the ice feature described in this dispatch I assumed it was a palsa.

I am not aware of sonar-like tool to determine the nature of a mound amongst the tundra (ice vs. permafrost). It is a very interesting idea, however.

Good luck with assignment.

Best,
Amy

]]>
By: Liz http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/mysterious-ground-ice-feature/comment-page-1/#comment-357 Liz Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:02:22 +0000 http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/?p=558#comment-357 Hello Amy, Have you ever found ice from the Pleistocene epoch period? Also what are the main differences from the plants in the open-top green houses and in their natural ecosystems? Hello Amy,

Have you ever found ice from the Pleistocene epoch period? Also what are the main differences from the plants in the open-top green houses and in their natural ecosystems?

]]>
By: avi schochet http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/mysterious-ground-ice-feature/comment-page-1/#comment-355 avi schochet Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:18:52 +0000 http://icestories.exploratorium.edu/dispatches/?p=558#comment-355 So i was wondering for a college asignment, if this type of feature can occur, is it not logical that the same type of ice mound could occur but on a much larger scale, possibly being as old as you had hoped this one to be? also is there a tool of some sort that you can use to "sonar" the ground or something to determine if an ordinary mound has an ice core? Thank you, Avi Schochet So i was wondering for a college asignment, if this type of feature can occur, is it not logical that the same type of ice mound could occur but on a much larger scale, possibly being as old as you had hoped this one to be? also is there a tool of some sort that you can use to “sonar” the ground or something to determine if an ordinary mound has an ice core?

Thank you,

Avi Schochet

]]>